Legislature(2007 - 2008)BUTROVICH 205

02/28/2008 01:00 PM Senate TRANSPORTATION


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= SB 265 SEX OFFENDERS, KIDNAPPERS DRIVERS LICENSE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 265(TRA) Out of Committee
+= SB 190 MINORS TRAVELING ALONE BY AIR TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= SB 189 APPROP.: BRIDGES, SERVICE ROADS, TRAILS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 189 Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
              SB 190-MINORS TRAVELING ALONE BY AIR                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:14:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   ALBERT  KOOKESH   announced   SB  190   to   be  up   for                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DONALD  OLSON  moved  to adopt  CSSB  190,  labeled  25-                                                               
LS1061\C. There were no objections and it was so ordered.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DAVE STANCLIFF, staff  to Senator Therriault, sponsor  of SB 190,                                                               
said the  CS addressed a couple  of concerns that were  raised at                                                               
the  last  committee meeting.  One  was  regarding carriers  that                                                               
operate only  in-the state and  recognizing that a lot  of people                                                               
in  rural Alaska  move about  without having  the opportunity  to                                                               
comply with  the provisions in  the bill. So  on page 1,  line 8,                                                               
language   was  inserted   saying  "receiving   a  ticket   to  a                                                               
destination outside  the state from  an airline employee"  and on                                                               
page 2, lines 3-5 a new provision was added saying:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     (c) The provisions of (a)  of this section do not apply                                                                    
     to a  state resident not  younger than 13 years  of age                                                                    
     and not older  than 17 years of age who  is in legal or                                                                    
     physical custody of the state.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF  said a memo  from the Department of  Law commented                                                               
on  constitutionality that  would be  taken up  in the  Judiciary                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  OLSON asked  if he  had  talked to  other carriers  that                                                               
provide out-of-state service or to White Horse, for instance.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF replied no; he  assumed people traveling out of the                                                               
country would already need the proper credentials.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  said the question  has to do more  with permission                                                               
from  the parents  and the  burden that  would put  on the  small                                                               
carriers  that aren't  even certificated  in  the United  States,                                                               
like Air North.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF  said research  has found  that some  carriers like                                                               
Qantas  require IDs  for people  of every  age just  because they                                                               
don't want the  liability of having something happen  to a minor.                                                               
Era Aviation  has different standards  than Alaska  Airlines, but                                                               
the  one thing  they all  have in  common is  there is  something                                                               
magical about  the age 13,  because under that age,  all carriers                                                               
require some kind  of ID or permission slip. But  from ages 13 to                                                               
17  there  is   a  gap.  They  hoped  carriers   would  see  this                                                               
legislation  as favorable  in terms  of limiting  their liability                                                               
should anything happen to a minor  that doesn't have proper ID or                                                               
permission to be on a flight that goes down.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:19:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KOOKESH  asked his  impression of  the Alaska  Air Carriers                                                               
Association letter that wasn't favorable.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF  replied their position was  well-taken with regard                                                               
to the  types of flying they  do and also some  of their concerns                                                               
no longer applied with the adoption of the CS.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOOKESH  said they had  a copy of the  CS at the  time they                                                               
issued their position.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STANCLIFF   replied  that   he  couldn't   understand  their                                                               
opposition.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  said his other  concern was  that the DMV  in Nome                                                               
has had its office closed because  no one was hired to work there                                                               
and residents were concerned about just being able to get an ID.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STANCLIFF said  Alaska  Airlines  expressed some  logistical                                                               
concerns  they  would  have  if   this  were  implemented.  Their                                                               
objections were  based on  the fact that  Alaskans should  not go                                                               
further than what is required  under the TSA and existing airline                                                               
regulations.  His   research  into   what  other   airlines  have                                                               
indicates that  their policies are  all over the place.  Many air                                                               
carriers are stricter than TSA and  he thought it was a liability                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COWDERY said  the Alaska  Airlines people  he talked  to                                                               
last Saturday definitely  oppose this bill, but he  wanted to ask                                                               
if a young person needs written permission to fly.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF replied yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY said that he remembers  that kids forged a lot of                                                               
names in  their school days  for less important things  and asked                                                               
how  those signatures  would be  verified.   He thought  the bill                                                               
needed more work.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. STANCLIFF replied there is no  way to guarantee a child won't                                                               
get on board an aircraft and forge anything.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:25:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  LESMANN,  Manager,   Community  Relations  and  Legislative                                                               
Liaison, Office of Children's Services,  Department of Health and                                                               
Social  Services (DHSS),  supported CSSB  190(TRA) and  primarily                                                               
the language  that exempts  children in the  custody of  DHSS. He                                                               
said  that kids  in the  state's custody  are not  unaccompanied;                                                               
they  are  sometimes with  their  biological  parent or  a  blood                                                               
relative, a  foster parent or one  of his staff. They  have paper                                                               
work with  them and if the  bill became law in  its current form,                                                               
it  might make  it  difficult  for the  department  to  act in  a                                                               
child's interest quickly.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if  the Palin Administration supported                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. LESMANN answered that he  could only address the exemption in                                                               
the CS for the DHSS.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COWDERY  held to  his opinion that  the bill  needed more                                                               
work.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON said he was not in favor of bill.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR KOOKESH  said he wanted  a little  more time to  spend with                                                               
the air carriers association to  alleviate some of their concerns                                                               
and held SB 190.                                                                                                                

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